Comments on: Scoundrels, ruffians and certain lewd fellows of the baser sort http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/ Searching for wit and wisdom in a wilderness of words... Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:51:30 +0000 hourly 1 By: ElShaddai Edwards http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/comment-page-1/#comment-329 ElShaddai Edwards Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:01:04 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/#comment-329 <i>I’ve been following one of Kevin Edgecomb’s one-year reading plans, and I use the NRSV for that. For all other reading, however, I’ve been using the REB and the KJV (whence the post you link above). I find great delight in that combination.</i> I've promised <a href="http://mynameisbrandon.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Brandon Smith</a> that I'd participate in his <a href="http://abide.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">::abide::</a> project of continuously reading the gospels - that might be a good opportunity to get more familiar with the NRSV. My REB NT is already back in my briefcase. I’ve been following one of Kevin Edgecomb’s one-year reading plans, and I use the NRSV for that. For all other reading, however, I’ve been using the REB and the KJV (whence the post you link above). I find great delight in that combination.

I’ve promised Brandon Smith that I’d participate in his ::abide:: project of continuously reading the gospels – that might be a good opportunity to get more familiar with the NRSV. My REB NT is already back in my briefcase.

]]> By: voxstefani http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/comment-page-1/#comment-328 voxstefani Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:47:35 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/#comment-328 Oh, man. Leave it to me to introduce serious people to LiveJounral fangirl speak! ;-) As for your recent disappointments over the blandness of the TNIV, I am with you there. I think how I put in a comment to one of Iyov's posts was "the flattening of the varied styles found in the originals." I do appreciate the sheer clarity of the text, but as Moisés Silva has written, if the Corinthian church had to struggle through a difficult sentence of Apostolic Greek, it is no great tragedy for us to have to do the same. I just don't believe that a translation should be simpler (or for that matter, more complicated) than the original. I've been following one of Kevin Edgecomb's <a href="http://www.bombaxo.com/nrsvplan.html" rel="nofollow">one-year reading plans</a>, and I use the NRSV for that. For all other reading, however, I've been using the REB and the KJV (whence the post you link above). I find great delight in that combination. Oh, man. Leave it to me to introduce serious people to LiveJounral fangirl speak! ;-)

As for your recent disappointments over the blandness of the TNIV, I am with you there. I think how I put in a comment to one of Iyov’s posts was “the flattening of the varied styles found in the originals.” I do appreciate the sheer clarity of the text, but as Moisés Silva has written, if the Corinthian church had to struggle through a difficult sentence of Apostolic Greek, it is no great tragedy for us to have to do the same. I just don’t believe that a translation should be simpler (or for that matter, more complicated) than the original.

I’ve been following one of Kevin Edgecomb’s one-year reading plans, and I use the NRSV for that. For all other reading, however, I’ve been using the REB and the KJV (whence the post you link above). I find great delight in that combination.

]]> By: Gary Zimmerli http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/comment-page-1/#comment-331 Gary Zimmerli Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:33:34 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/#comment-331 <i>What are you… a Packers fan?</i> No, not that kind of gold; it's called sandstone. I shouldn't have called it gold. No, I'm a Twins fan, and have been since they came to us from D.C back in 1961. Don't care much for football. Don't even go see the Vikings when they're in town for their training camp. :-) What are you… a Packers fan?

No, not that kind of gold; it’s called sandstone. I shouldn’t have called it gold.

No, I’m a Twins fan, and have been since they came to us from D.C back in 1961. Don’t care much for football. Don’t even go see the Vikings when they’re in town for their training camp.
:-)

]]> By: ElShaddai Edwards http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/comment-page-1/#comment-330 ElShaddai Edwards Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:20:11 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/#comment-330 <i>Sure “wind” is legit in the Greek but it’s much too impersonal. I’d much prefer “Spirit of God.”</i> Well, the Jewish Study Bible (Tanakh Translation) and the NRSV (not sure about the RSV - the ESV revision predictably uses "Spirit of God") also use "wind", though at least "wind from God", so there's definitely precedent and tradition for that rendering. I would definitely quibble with the NEB's choice of "mighty" for Elohim - that's a bit loose. Sure “wind” is legit in the Greek but it’s much too impersonal. I’d much prefer “Spirit of God.”

Well, the Jewish Study Bible (Tanakh Translation) and the NRSV (not sure about the RSV – the ESV revision predictably uses “Spirit of God”) also use “wind”, though at least “wind from God”, so there’s definitely precedent and tradition for that rendering. I would definitely quibble with the NEB’s choice of “mighty” for Elohim – that’s a bit loose.

]]> By: Kevin Sam http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/comment-page-1/#comment-327 Kevin Sam Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:17:02 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/#comment-327 <i>What!? No “Spirit of God”?</i> The NEB sounds almost like the JW's New World Translation in using "wind". There's a really different theological perspective for you in the NWT. Not sure if I would read that for a broad-based theological outlook though. Sure "wind" is legit in the Greek but it's much too impersonal. I'd much prefer "Spirit of God." What!? No “Spirit of God”?
The NEB sounds almost like the JW’s New World Translation in using “wind”. There’s a really different theological perspective for you in the NWT. Not sure if I would read that for a broad-based theological outlook though. Sure “wind” is legit in the Greek but it’s much too impersonal. I’d much prefer “Spirit of God.”

]]> By: John Hobbins http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/comment-page-1/#comment-326 John Hobbins Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:47:29 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/#comment-326 One of my colleagues, the last time the Packers made it to the playoffs, had a big fat "G" in the appropriate font placed on the communion altar linens of the church he serves. One of the women of his congregation, suspicious, asked him, "what does the 'G' stand for?" "God, of course," my friend answered. One of my colleagues, the last time the Packers made it to the playoffs, had a big fat “G” in the appropriate font placed on the communion altar linens of the church he serves.

One of the women of his congregation, suspicious, asked him, “what does the ‘G’ stand for?”

“God, of course,” my friend answered.

]]> By: ElShaddai Edwards http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/comment-page-1/#comment-325 ElShaddai Edwards Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:02:51 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/#comment-325 <i>I own two Buicks, one green and one gold</i> What are you... a Packers fan? :) I own two Buicks, one green and one gold

What are you… a Packers fan? :)

]]> By: Gary Zimmerli http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/comment-page-1/#comment-324 Gary Zimmerli Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:50:49 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/#comment-324 Hey, ElShaddai, I own two Buicks, one green and one gold, and they're not a bad place to be! ;-) (Just wondering, can a 54-year-old man who owns two Buicks use the term "Squee"???) Hey, ElShaddai, I own two Buicks, one green and one gold, and they’re not a bad place to be! ;-)

(Just wondering, can a 54-year-old man who owns two Buicks use the term “Squee”???)

]]> By: James McGrath http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/comment-page-1/#comment-323 James McGrath Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:43:16 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/25/scoundrels-ruffians-and-certain-lewd-fellows-of-the-baser-sort/#comment-323 What I tell people to do if they are interested in understanding the Bible but don't know the original languages is to <i>read more than one translation</i>, ideally ones that reflect different theological outlooks as well as different approaches to translation. It is the best thing one can do to get as close a sense as possible to the underlying text, and to avoid being misled by any particular aspect of the English translation. What I tell people to do if they are interested in understanding the Bible but don’t know the original languages is to read more than one translation, ideally ones that reflect different theological outlooks as well as different approaches to translation. It is the best thing one can do to get as close a sense as possible to the underlying text, and to avoid being misled by any particular aspect of the English translation.

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