Comments on: Revelation 20: the complete fulfillment of the Old Covenant? http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/28/revelation-20-the-complete-fulfillment-of-the-old-covenant/ Searching for wit and wisdom in a wilderness of words... Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:51:30 +0000 hourly 1 By: Steve http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/28/revelation-20-the-complete-fulfillment-of-the-old-covenant/comment-page-1/#comment-347 Steve Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:50:15 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/28/revelation-20-the-complete-fulfillment-of-the-old-covenant/#comment-347 I appreciate it, ElShaddai. I appreciate it, ElShaddai.

]]> By: Steve http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/28/revelation-20-the-complete-fulfillment-of-the-old-covenant/comment-page-1/#comment-346 Steve Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:00:29 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/28/revelation-20-the-complete-fulfillment-of-the-old-covenant/#comment-346 Paul said that the "perishable" (mortal man) would be <em>clothed</em> with imperishable (a quickened, immortal spirit). When Paul said in Romans 8:8, "those who are in the flesh cannot please God." Does this mean that those who have physical bodies cannot please God? No - the Hebrew mind thought, as Greek scholar A.T. Robinson put it, that "Man does not have a body, he is a body." Christians don't have to shuffle off this mortal coil in order to please God - our spirits only have to be made alive. Jesus put it this way: "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but <em>has passed from death unto life</em>. Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. Marvel not at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will he His voice and come forth — those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." (John 5:24-29) I am proud to admit that I stole most of this from <a href="http://www.eschatology.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=123&Itemid=61" rel="nofollow">this webpage</a> (<i>ed. Steve, I edited the link so that it works and removed your follow up comment with the URL</i>). Let me know what you think of it. Thanks for the interaction! Paul said that the “perishable” (mortal man) would be clothed with imperishable (a quickened, immortal spirit). When Paul said in Romans 8:8, “those who are in the flesh cannot please God.” Does this mean that those who have physical bodies cannot please God? No – the Hebrew mind thought, as Greek scholar A.T. Robinson put it, that “Man does not have a body, he is a body.” Christians don’t have to shuffle off this mortal coil in order to please God – our spirits only have to be made alive. Jesus put it this way:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death unto life. Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. Marvel not at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will he His voice and come forth — those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.” (John 5:24-29)

I am proud to admit that I stole most of this from this webpage (ed. Steve, I edited the link so that it works and removed your follow up comment with the URL). Let me know what you think of it.

Thanks for the interaction!

]]> By: James Pate http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/28/revelation-20-the-complete-fulfillment-of-the-old-covenant/comment-page-1/#comment-345 James Pate Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:16:21 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/28/revelation-20-the-complete-fulfillment-of-the-old-covenant/#comment-345 But was the Spirit ever perishable? Paul talks in I Corinthians 15 about a bodily resurrection--our perishable bodies are changed into immortal spiritual bodies. But was the Spirit ever perishable? Paul talks in I Corinthians 15 about a bodily resurrection–our perishable bodies are changed into immortal spiritual bodies.

]]> By: Steve http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/28/revelation-20-the-complete-fulfillment-of-the-old-covenant/comment-page-1/#comment-344 Steve Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:35:09 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/28/revelation-20-the-complete-fulfillment-of-the-old-covenant/#comment-344 Did you see the related post called simply "The Resurrection of the Dead"? There I explain: "The Resurrection of the Dead was the spirit’s quickening and subsequent transformation to immortality (or 'incorruptibility', see 1 Cor 15:53,54)." All who had died before were brought to life and judged and the living were changed. Here's 1 Cor 15:51-53: <em>Listen, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep </em>[notice Paul's expectation that it would happen within his lifetime]<em>, but <strong>we shall all be changed</strong> — in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. <strong>For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.</strong>" Did you see the related post called simply “The Resurrection of the Dead”? There I explain:

“The Resurrection of the Dead was the spirit’s quickening and subsequent transformation to immortality (or ‘incorruptibility’, see 1 Cor 15:53,54).”

All who had died before were brought to life and judged and the living were changed. Here’s 1 Cor 15:51-53:

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep [notice Paul's expectation that it would happen within his lifetime], but we shall all be changed — in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.“

]]> By: James Pate http://heissufficient.com/2007/10/28/revelation-20-the-complete-fulfillment-of-the-old-covenant/comment-page-1/#comment-343 James Pate Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:43:44 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/10/28/revelation-20-the-complete-fulfillment-of-the-old-covenant/#comment-343 Something just doesn't set right with me. The resurrection occurred in the first century? I read the link. He interprets the resurrection as the first century saints going to heaven, right? As in their souls going to heaven? Or maybe their bodies changed into an invisible spiritual form and went to heaven. Something just doesn’t set right with me. The resurrection occurred in the first century? I read the link. He interprets the resurrection as the first century saints going to heaven, right? As in their souls going to heaven? Or maybe their bodies changed into an invisible spiritual form and went to heaven.

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