Comments on: Wrestling with preterism http://heissufficient.com/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/ Searching for wit and wisdom in a wilderness of words... Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:51:30 +0000 hourly 1 By: Roderick http://heissufficient.com/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/comment-page-1/#comment-369 Roderick Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:42:32 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/#comment-369 Might I suggest also http://unpreterist.blogspot.com Might I suggest also http://unpreterist.blogspot.com

]]> By: ElShaddai Edwards http://heissufficient.com/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/comment-page-1/#comment-367 ElShaddai Edwards Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:05:14 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/#comment-367 Roderick wrote: <i>There are some preterists even trying to say God didn’t actually create the universe but the whole Genesis account is only about God’s covenantal creation of the nation of Israel.</i> You know, I think I came across a site like that earlier this week. There was an article on <a href="http://www.newjerusalemcommunity.net/?c=54&a=1969" rel="nofollow">newjerusalemcommunity.net</a> about that view of Genesis... for some reason, they chose to feature my post on their front page and the number of incoming clicks in my site stats led me to investigate further. I also came across this site: <a href="http://www.preteristsite.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.preteristsite.com/</a>, but haven't had time to dig into what they're advocating. Roderick wrote:

There are some preterists even trying to say God didn’t actually create the universe but the whole Genesis account is only about God’s covenantal creation of the nation of Israel.

You know, I think I came across a site like that earlier this week. There was an article on newjerusalemcommunity.net about that view of Genesis… for some reason, they chose to feature my post on their front page and the number of incoming clicks in my site stats led me to investigate further.

I also came across this site: http://www.preteristsite.com/, but haven’t had time to dig into what they’re advocating.

]]> By: Bryan http://heissufficient.com/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/comment-page-1/#comment-368 Bryan Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:25:43 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/#comment-368 I myself have had quite a journey from Dispensationalism to partial-preterism and amillennialism. I third the notion to read Gentry's "Before Jerusalem Fell." Though I was partial pret before reading it, it really cemented Rev's date for me. I myself have had quite a journey from Dispensationalism to partial-preterism and amillennialism. I third the notion to read Gentry’s “Before Jerusalem Fell.” Though I was partial pret before reading it, it really cemented Rev’s date for me.

]]> By: Roderick http://heissufficient.com/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/comment-page-1/#comment-366 Roderick Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:25:08 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/#comment-366 Just one word of warning from a guy who has been a preteristic Christian for over 15 years & have been heavily involved in the "preterist community" -- BEWARE of the LIBERAL PRETERISTS. My first attraction to the preterist perspective was its tenacious realiance upon Scripture alone to make its argument, but over the last 5 years or so there has been a small but very vocal group that has shifted into socialistic concepts & out right speculation. There are some preterists even trying to say God didn't actually create the universe but the whole Genesis account is only about God's covenantal creation of the nation of Israel. For more on the recent development of preterism, might I suggest this link: <b><a href="http://thekingdomcome.com/a_primer_on_preterism" rel="nofollow">http://thekingdomcome.com/a_primer_on_preterism</a></b> Just because a person embraces a fulfilled view doesn't mean they suddenly need to become a raving socialistic innovator. In Christ alone, Roderick Just one word of warning from a guy who has been a preteristic Christian for over 15 years & have been heavily involved in the “preterist community” — BEWARE of the LIBERAL PRETERISTS.

My first attraction to the preterist perspective was its tenacious realiance upon Scripture alone to make its argument, but over the last 5 years or so there has been a small but very vocal group that has shifted into socialistic concepts & out right speculation. There are some preterists even trying to say God didn’t actually create the universe but the whole Genesis account is only about God’s covenantal creation of the nation of Israel.

For more on the recent development of preterism, might I suggest this link: http://thekingdomcome.com/a_primer_on_preterism

Just because a person embraces a fulfilled view doesn’t mean they suddenly need to become a raving socialistic innovator.

In Christ alone,
Roderick

]]> By: ElShaddai Edwards http://heissufficient.com/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/comment-page-1/#comment-364 ElShaddai Edwards Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:53:49 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/#comment-364 Steve wrote: <i>Tektonics has some good stuff here and there, but it is [...] caustically antagonistic of any and every view contradicting their own. [...] Look through it if you like, but make sure you follow it up with a healthy dose of thereignofchrist.com or eschatology.org.</i> Thanks for the links - I've been to Don Preston's site before, but the former site is new to me. I'll check it out! Steve wrote:

Tektonics has some good stuff here and there, but it is [...] caustically antagonistic of any and every view contradicting their own. [...] Look through it if you like, but make sure you follow it up with a healthy dose of thereignofchrist.com or eschatology.org.

Thanks for the links – I’ve been to Don Preston’s site before, but the former site is new to me. I’ll check it out!

]]> By: ElShaddai Edwards http://heissufficient.com/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/comment-page-1/#comment-363 ElShaddai Edwards Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:58 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/#comment-363 Kevin said: <i>You’ve come a long way to a different view from before.</i> I can't say that I formally considered myself to be a premillennialist as I'd really not studied the subject. If anything, out of ignorance, I read Revelation literally and let my imagination create images. If anything, I probably leaned toward a historicist view, finding events in the past 2000 years that "matched" the images in John's writing. <i>I’ve been traveling on that road too.</i> Please feel free to contribute! Kevin said:

You’ve come a long way to a different view from before.

I can’t say that I formally considered myself to be a premillennialist as I’d really not studied the subject. If anything, out of ignorance, I read Revelation literally and let my imagination create images. If anything, I probably leaned toward a historicist view, finding events in the past 2000 years that “matched” the images in John’s writing.

I’ve been traveling on that road too.

Please feel free to contribute!

]]> By: Steve http://heissufficient.com/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/comment-page-1/#comment-365 Steve Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:45:51 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/#comment-365 Tektonics has some good stuff here and there, but it is highly influenced by the infamous Dee Dee Warren and is therefore caustically antagonistic of any and every view contradicting their own. They are especially critical of full preterism: they equate full preterism with the Hymenaean heresy (please!). Their arguments are long-winded and ill-natured, treating thoughtful and gracious Christians as Satan's henchmen for believing in a less-than-physical Resurrection. I think you'll see that they do not address any of the issues humbly and objectively (i.e., without suspending their own beliefs and addressing full preterism charitably). Look through it if you like, but make sure you follow it up with a healthy dose of thereignofchrist.com or eschatology.org. Tektonics has some good stuff here and there, but it is highly influenced by the infamous Dee Dee Warren and is therefore caustically antagonistic of any and every view contradicting their own. They are especially critical of full preterism: they equate full preterism with the Hymenaean heresy (please!). Their arguments are long-winded and ill-natured, treating thoughtful and gracious Christians as Satan’s henchmen for believing in a less-than-physical Resurrection. I think you’ll see that they do not address any of the issues humbly and objectively (i.e., without suspending their own beliefs and addressing full preterism charitably). Look through it if you like, but make sure you follow it up with a healthy dose of thereignofchrist.com or eschatology.org.

]]> By: Kevin Sam http://heissufficient.com/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/comment-page-1/#comment-362 Kevin Sam Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:49:31 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/#comment-362 <i>now that I consider myself an amillennial partial-preterist (essentially Revelation 1-19 were fulfilled in 70AD, while the millennium of Revelation 20 encompasses the age of the Church and will continue </i> You've come a long way to a different view from before. We all have roads we travel on and discover that our views might not remain the same. That's totally okay. I've been traveling on that road too. now that I consider myself an amillennial partial-preterist (essentially Revelation 1-19 were fulfilled in 70AD, while the millennium of Revelation 20 encompasses the age of the Church and will continue

You’ve come a long way to a different view from before. We all have roads we travel on and discover that our views might not remain the same. That’s totally okay. I’ve been traveling on that road too.

]]> By: ElShaddai Edwards http://heissufficient.com/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/comment-page-1/#comment-361 ElShaddai Edwards Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:10:30 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/#comment-361 Thanks for the link, Dave. The site looks interesting - I'll be sure to spend some time checking it out. I put some preterist links in the right column of this site a while back - be sure to look at those as well. Thanks for the link, Dave. The site looks interesting – I’ll be sure to spend some time checking it out. I put some preterist links in the right column of this site a while back – be sure to look at those as well.

]]> By: ElShaddai Edwards http://heissufficient.com/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/comment-page-1/#comment-360 ElShaddai Edwards Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:06:10 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/2007/11/05/wrestling-with-preterism/#comment-360 Gary wrote: <i>"When we keep them in mind, we can live as brothers and sisters in Christ in this world, no matter our own particular eschatological viewpoint. After all, we know who holds the future; we’re in His hands."</i> Steve wrote: <i>"The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing: we should really be spending the bulk of our time on living out the Kingdom in practice."</i> Amen. Gary wrote:

“When we keep them in mind, we can live as brothers and sisters in Christ in this world, no matter our own particular eschatological viewpoint. After all, we know who holds the future; we’re in His hands.”

Steve wrote:

“The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing: we should really be spending the bulk of our time on living out the Kingdom in practice.”

Amen.

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