What were you doing on December 17, 1994?

Evidently that was the exact date of the opening of the First Seal (Revelation 6:1), according to Ronald Weinland, author of “2008 – God’s Final Witness“. Proclaiming himself revealed as one of the two end-times witnesses (Revelation 11:3-13), Weinland summarizes his most recent book:

Although the Church of God has not been accustomed to having a prophet for nearly 1900 years, God made [Weinland] a prophet in 1997. His first book, The Prophesied End-Time (published in mid-2004), is the product of what God has given him concerning prophetic end-time events that have already begun to be fulfilled, events that are occurring exactly as he has written in the book. His latest book, 2008God’s Final Witness, pinpoints the timing of these end-time events and adds additional information beyond what the first book covered.

2008God’s Final Witness is a revelation of the Book of Revelation. As Ronald Weinland explains, the apostle John was given the task of recording prophetic events reserved for revelation at this end-time, and he states that he has been given the task of revealing the truth about those things John wrote. As John wrote, God explained to him that the meaning of what he was writing would not be revealed until the time came to unseal the Seven Seals of Revelation, six of which have already been opened.

Unlike The Da Vinci Code or the Left Behind series, which are fiction, 2008God’s Final Witness is true and reveals hidden secrets that man has not been able to uncover for thousands of years. Of the three major religions of the world who claim belief in the God of Abraham (Islam, Judaism and Christianity), no one has ever known the prophecies that are revealed in this book, which are beginning to unfold even now.

2008God’s Final Witness reveals the Seven Thunders of the Book of Revelation, which the apostle John was not allowed to record! It also gives more specific end-time prophecies that will sharply increase during the next year and one-half when the final tribulation of this world strikes. That destructive power will quickly cripple world governments and destroy the world economy over a six-month period. The year 2008 is prophesied as pivotal for the end-time.

Ronald Weinland says that 2008 will mark the beginning of the final events that will thrust the world into the great tribulation (last three and one-half years of the end-time), which will usher in World War III, the death of billions, and on the last day of this great tribulation, the return of Jesus Christ.

Are you ready?

As for the title question, I was a few months into my first permanent job after graduating from college earlier that year. My mom was in the last stages of her battle with cancer. I was attending my former girlfriend’s church at the time (she was in Japan, teaching English) and probably rehearsing a brass ensemble piece for Christmas Eve services. Beyond that, it’s all a little fuzzy…

P.S. For those curious, according to Weinland, the Sixth Seal was opened on September 11, 2001.

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  1. Posted March 2, 2008 at 12:02 AM | Permalink

    December 17, 1994? I had just gotten my Wings of Gold a month prior and I decided to take the whole month of December off and travel the Midwest to visit friends and family before I hit my first fleet squadron. I was a date-setting futurist back then, so my eyes were pealed. Nevertheless, I can’t think of any event during that time that resembled the opening of the first seal.

    See, ElShaddai? Preterism makes things soooooo much easier in this regard. 😉

  2. Posted March 2, 2008 at 1:08 AM | Permalink

    From Weinland’s first book, The Prophesied End-Time (pp.165-167):

    Only one man in this modern age was appointed—“set” in the Church of God. That man was Joseph W. Tkach, Sr. He had been given great trust and authority, but he betrayed Jesus Christ in the sermon he gave in Atlanta, Georgia on December 17, 1994. […] That sermon revealed that he had lifted himself above God by declaring that the Church no longer needed to observe God’s Sabbaths. This prophecy, given by Paul, began to be fulfilled on that Sabbath day when Mr. Tkach gave that infamous sermon. “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” (2 Thessalonians 2:3). […]

    Exactly 40 Sabbaths (to the day and very hour) after Mr. Tkach gave that sermon, he died. This was God’s own declaration. By taking his life, God revealed that Mr. Tkach was indeed the “son of perdition”—“the man of sin.”

    It’s a good thing his books are available as free PDF downloads; I can’t imagine spending money on this!

  3. Posted March 2, 2008 at 1:27 AM | Permalink

    The books are actually free. I’ve had copies of both for quite some time now. I didn’t know that anybody else was even aware of them though.

  4. Posted March 2, 2008 at 1:46 AM | Permalink

    I have my Google News set to capture news items on things like eschatology and evolution, and I came across Weinland’s books a few weeks ago. Of course, I downloaded his latest book to see if he actually exegeted the scriptures in order to calculate the dates. From what I could tell, there wasn’t much (if any). No calculations either. Just another example of newspaper eschatology.

    Oh, yeah … he reminds me of Harold Camping, who wrote 1994?. When the rapture didn’t happen in 1994, he said his calculations were a bit off and revised the rapture date to 1995. A few years back, he wrote a new book, predicting 2011 to be the end of the world. (Interestingly enough, he dated the creation of the world at 11,013 BC. How he got that, I’ve no clue.)

  5. Posted March 2, 2008 at 2:15 AM | Permalink

    On December 17, 1994, I was in Harare, Zimbabwe examining the contents of the Ark of the Covenant.

    And it seems pretty obvious that Hillary and Obama are the fulfillment of the Revelation and her child will usher in the new age. Exciting times!

  6. Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:11 AM | Permalink

    And it seems pretty obvious that Hillary and Obama are the fulfillment of the Revelation and her child will usher in the new age.

    http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

  7. Posted March 2, 2008 at 1:01 PM | Permalink

    On December 17, 1994, which fell on a Saturday, I was at a birthday party I organized for my friend Luvián. We were in the 11th grade.

    Also, I believe every last word of the Obama Myth and enthusiastically embrace the messianic dimensions of his presidential candidacy. That he’s simply a politician that lies just like the reast and won’t fulfill any of his promises is not the point. The point is that, much like philanderers JFK and MLK, Obama is good for the American Myth (which I also buy), and that is all that matters. 😉

    Anyway, what about the fulfillment of the Book of Revelation? I thought we had agreed on already/not yet? (Heh.)

  8. Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:21 PM | Permalink

    Jonah Immanu says to: el shaddai edwards

    Well you and Mr. Ronald Weinland will within one year’s time by the New Year, 2009 be proven as false prophets believng something fashioned in your own minds as God’s special communication with you two.

    No prophecy of scripture can be fulfilled by private interpretation according to my Bible and that is especially what both of you practice. Ronald Weinland
    is writing books now which purport that he is a special prophet of God in these end times. I’ve heard such claims ad nauseum and your claims and Mr. Weinland’s are no different.

    I’ll tell you how and why I know that you are both false prophets, right now, before 2009 comes:
    1.) Mr. Weinland denies that the supernatural event of the pre-tribulation rapture event described by Jesus (Hebrew: Yeshua) in the gospel of Matthew, Chapter 24 verses 40 & 41 and in the gospel of Luke, Chapter 17, verses 34, 35 & 36 and expounded upon by His Apostle Paul in Paul first epistle to the Corinthians, Chapter 15 verses 51 through 57 and in his first epistle to the Thessalonians, Chapter 4 verses 13 through 18. Despite Weinland’s denial of the miraculous refuging event for Yeshua’s faithful, it will some time in the imminent future transpire as prophecied by Yeshua and Paul.
    2.) The antichrist will not be known until AFTER the pre-tribulation rapture has occurred so ” E. S. Edwards” or anybody elses claims of knowing future events about the antichrist will be wrong. Claiming knowledge that Hillary or Obama are fulfillment of prophecy from the Book of Revelation is also unsriptural speculation.
    3.) Hillary’s daughter, Chelsea (providing that she continues to live in good health for her generation) whether she is a genuine Christian or not might be expected to usher in a new age when the Messiah, Yeshua takes up His title to planet Earth to righteously rule and reign our World for the Millenniam. It all depends upon whether or not Yeshua has SAVED her or how much time she has been allotted in her physical temporal life.

    Correct information has been provided from the reliable source of the New Testament/Bible in my book published May 2005, Alienated Planet Earth and the End that will be Coming to Our World (ISBN:141205154) which is available on-line at: trafford.com/04-2823

    Weinland’s position that there will not be a rapture of faithful Christians is NOT to be believed over Yeshua’s and Paul’s New Testament teachings quoted in this article. Nonetheless, Weinland is entitled to his aberrant viewpoint as a false prophet inside the various books that he has authored. Let modern history record that the 2008 events that he has predicted to take place will in no way take place as he has predicted. Jonah Immanu says so with full confidence today, March 2, 2008 because God’s word is never wrong. By 2009, Mr. Ron Weinland will be identified and exposed as a false prophet in these end times.

    Your career as a reliable author and “servant” of God is now running and kind of short. Thank the Lord. In 2009, your false prophesies will no longer be able to be denied by you or by anybody else forevermore and you will be utterly exposed as a false prophet with no more than the passage of about three-quarters of one earth year. The end of your being able to so boldly prophecy lies with virtual impunity.

    I had written to you about your deceptive practices without the courtesy of any answer but it is best to expose you publicly now. When the New Year,
    2009 arrives and your predictions have not occurred, I hope that you and authors like you will have learned a valuable lesson to refrain from the dissemination of false and aberrant claims which run completely contrary to Yeshua’s words in His gospels and in Paul’s epistles. In 2009, your books authored to mislead and deceive others will be ended for you.

    False prophets do not ever exercise a proper fear of the Lord when undertaking to deceive others. I shall look forward to your imminent exposure as a false prophet at the New Year, 2009.

    In Yeshua’s Name,

    Jonah Immanu,
    Christian Eschatological Author

  9. Posted March 2, 2008 at 7:28 PM | Permalink

    Wow.

  10. Posted March 2, 2008 at 8:31 PM | Permalink

    Yeah! Now I get to stone El Shaddai! 😉

    Meanwhile, all I got from the harangue above was that this guy is trying to sell a book or something?

  11. Posted March 2, 2008 at 9:18 PM | Permalink

    Jonah Immanu says to Estaban Vazquez and to anybody unable to afford buying my book from Trafford Publishing or e-Mail suppliers that any of them can go in for a FREE download at: http://www.bookyards.com

    That’s the internet’s World Library. The Truth is alwayas available FREE to people who wish to follow God’s word. The point is my book provides truth and is NOT primarily for profit despite what another may aberrantly think.

    In Yeshua’s Name,

    Jonah Immanu
    Christian Eschatological Author

  12. Posted March 2, 2008 at 10:11 PM | Permalink

    WOW!
    Jesus Saenz says to Jonah Immanu:

    Why do you use the Aramaic name of Jesus but yet use the name of Paul in the English? Why do you even use the Aramaic when the NT was written in Greek?

    Jesus Saenz wants to know if it is essential to refer to oneself in the third person.

    Jesus Saenz has a hard time remembering December 17, 1994 because of all the glue he sniffed in his formative years. Or was it because of the PCP? Jesus Saenz can’t remember.

    The great tribulation and the antichrist are events that have already taken place.

    In Jesus’ name,
    Jesus Saenz

  13. Posted March 2, 2008 at 10:46 PM | Permalink

    Wow is right. And shame on us for making fun of wackos.

  14. Posted March 3, 2008 at 2:03 AM | Permalink

    Simon says–er, Esteban Vázquez says to Jesús Saenz that We would refer to ourselves using the third person, too, but that would get in the way of Our habit to refer to Ourselves using the majestatic plural.

  15. Posted March 3, 2008 at 4:41 AM | Permalink

    Jonah Immanu says to Jesus Saenz

    Jesus, Christ is the Greek language translation of the Lord’s name & title, but it is my personal preference to use the Hebrew/Aramaic anglicized version of His name which is Yeshua, the Messiah.

    When referring to the Son of God, it seems appropriate to me to use His Hebrew/Aramaic name
    originally given to Him at His birth. This seems to me the best way to address Him out of a proper respect for His most Holy name and because He is the second person of the Diefied Trinity.

    In Yeshua’s Name,

    Jonah Immanu

  16. Posted March 3, 2008 at 10:07 AM | Permalink

    Mike likes his kung pao spicy.

  17. Posted March 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM | Permalink

    My wife and I were laughing so hard reading through these comments that our kids were shouting at us to be quiet.

    ESE you should check out the IP numbers on all these posts. You have quite the international readership.

  18. Posted March 3, 2008 at 1:32 PM | Permalink

    Esteban Vázquez has just realized that referring to oneself only in the third person is just like updating one’s status on Facebook.

    Further, Esteban Vázquez says to Mike Beidler that he is a false prophet on account of his preference for Kung Pao chicken over General Tso’s chicken.

    Also, Esteban Vázquez wonders if a “diefied Trinity” is one that wasn’t dead before, but now is?

  19. Posted March 3, 2008 at 4:43 PM | Permalink

    ElShaddai, did you get as many of the wacky crowd viewing this as I did my recent post on the Antichrist? I think you did quite well, but you would have done better by putting the A word in your post title. One of my commenters has Obama as the Antichrist, which fits well with Chelsea Clinton as Messiah. Does that make Hillary the new Virgin Mary? God preserve us!

    It was on or about 17th December 1994 that for the one and only time I performed on the stage of the main concert hall in a capital city. It was a church Christmas concert and I was in the choir.

  20. Posted March 3, 2008 at 6:30 PM | Permalink

    Did you get as many of the wacky crowd viewing this as I did my recent post on the Antichrist?

    Sadly no. There were 75 post views today (there have been 120 total views) and 298 total for the blog, which is a single-day record for me (average is 150-175), but nowhere near your 6000+ hits over the past couple of days! I’m saving my record day for when I announce that I am the Beast. That’ll put a cinch in the preterists’ knickers!

    Further, Esteban Vázquez says to Mike Beidler that he is a false prophet on account of his preference for Kung Pao chicken over General Tso’s chicken.

    Sadly, Esteban, for as much as he also likes General Tso, ElShaddai must side with Mike on this one. Kung pao chicken with green onions and an extra dash of whole dried peppers is the bomb. Squee! A spicy chicken Pad Thai is a welcome alternative.

  21. Posted March 3, 2008 at 6:55 PM | Permalink

    Well, ElShaddai, I think it had already been established that you’re a false prophet, so no surprises there. 😉

  22. Posted March 3, 2008 at 8:14 PM | Permalink

    Kung pao chicken with green onions and an extra dash of whole dried peppers is the bomb. Squee! A spicy chicken Pad Thai is a welcome alternative.

    Ah! A man after my own heart!

  23. Posted March 3, 2008 at 8:18 PM | Permalink

    Oh, and as for the date, it marked not the end of the world, but the end of my dad’s 45th year. That’s my Dad’s birthday, so I’m sure we were having a party that day. 🙂

  24. Posted March 3, 2008 at 8:25 PM | Permalink

    Steve, our fathers are of the same vintage, though mine celebrated 45 years in May of that year. Sadly, my mom went home at age 45.

  25. Posted March 3, 2008 at 8:37 PM | Permalink

    For those interested in irrefutable proof that Chelsea is the liberals’ Messiah, see the photo here: http://purgatorio1.com/?p=648

  26. Posted March 4, 2008 at 7:02 AM | Permalink

    Hey, I’m as liberal and militantly Democrat as they come, and Chelsea is not my Messiah! I would not mind getting her phone number, however. 😉

  27. Posted March 5, 2008 at 4:36 PM | Permalink

    Hi ElShaddai.

    Lately, I’ve been hearing of Ron Weinland a lot. But there was a long time when I never heard of him, which is strange, since I grew up in the Armstrong movement. He must have quickly developed a PR machine.

  28. Posted March 5, 2008 at 4:42 PM | Permalink

    Or maybe he’s telling the truth!

  29. SteveC
    Posted March 16, 2008 at 8:59 PM | Permalink

    Thank goodness I came across this page. I was reading “2008 – God’s Final Witness” (the free PDF – I wouldn’t have paid money for it!) and I came to the reference to December 17 1994. The date didn’t ring any bells, so I started googling. All I could find was that KLM’s last DC-10 went out of service that day. So I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this Ron guy is nuts…
    By the way, did this Jonah Immanu guy actually read what ElShaddai Edwards wrote? Doesn’t sound like it to me!

  30. Jake L
    Posted March 29, 2008 at 3:22 AM | Permalink

    Yes, some of these comments are pretty funny, but ultimately this whole page of comments is extremely sobering!
    We got ppl arguing over the usefullness of referring to one’s self in the third person, arguements over the correct usage of Christ’s name, somehow the Clintons, Obama and Kung Pao Chicken find their way into the mix, and in the above there’s a whole expose on correct/incorrect doctrinal issues which forms the “basis” of Jonah Immanu’s reasoning for calling both Weinland and ElShaddai Edwards false prophets. (I agree that Weinland is a false prophet, but ElShaddai Edwards is not prophesying – he’s stating belief in what he’s read and its not hard to get mislead today).
    DID EVERYONE MISS THE MOST THUNDEROUS AND SOBERING POINT??? (it hasn’t yet been mentioned)
    This man, Weinland, is CLAIMING TO BE ONE OF THE TWO WITNESSES OF REVELATIONS! One of the two most power-enabled prophets the world has yet to have ever seen!

    1) Not once in the bible does any true prophet “pump himself up” to the populous BEFORE going out to accomplish the “great work” set before them by God. Samuel nor Isaiah nor Jeremiah nor ANY of them, not even John the Baptist went forth saying “proclaim the way of ME….!” None of them were known to the people until they were already in full swing acting out their prophetic office as ordered in full humility. “…prepare ye the way of the LORD!” Do you really think one of the two witnesses that will be flashing fire from their mouths to consume their enemies, one that will be calling down all sorts of plagues upon the earth would say (well before that power is even given) “here ‘I’ am and here ‘I’ come, keep an eye open, I’ll be entering the scene soon”?

    2) In Weinland’s recent book “2008…” he makes a great deal about humility – expounding on the fact that the two witnesses will be wearing “sackcloth”, a representation of humility. Yet he’s declaring to the world with pride before he’s even given the power, that he’s one of the two. I don’t see any humility here –

    3) God didn’t say he was going to send his two witnesses to warn “of themselves” before their time. Not to mention their purpose is to warn/prophesy of THE LORD’S coming and all entailed and whatever else God gives them to prophesy. God didn’t say that it would be given them to prophesy “of themselves” and their as yet “unattained” powers but He DID warn of those false prophets who will and do. Scripture makes it clear that these two “unknowns” will “burst” onto the world scene because of the wonders and ‘torments’ they will perform. — We, the rest of the world, will know them BECAUSE of their fruits. Which leads us to ….

    4) Scripture is clear in Revelations ch. 11 that power is given to these two witnesses to consume all enemies, who would try to harm them, with fire from their mouths. This “fruit” seen of their power, and any other facet of it, would make them rapidly known throughout the world shortly after their prophetic calling is put into effect. They will be given the ability to ensure their survival from their enemies for 3 1/2 years to fulfill not only their prophecy but also the prophecies about them.
    Food for thought: So what of the time before they’re given their power from God then? Satan certainly knows all this is real – wouldn’t the Lord protect the identities of these two from the world, from mankind under satan’s influence until that time when He draws back the curtain from them and annoints them with power? You can be sure that every attempt at assassination of these two “true” witnesses before their assumption of Holy Power would be made if their identities were made known and broadcast like Weinland is doing. I don’t think Satan or any likeminded minion (including man) need worry or are worried about Weinland

    5) Weinland’s own words in his book were “After all, if I contradict God’s word, then how can I be a prophet”. He defended himself saying on pg. 21 that yes Jesus said that “…no man knows that day or hour…” but that that answer was to his disciples and that it didn’t mean that God wouldn’t reveal the timing of events at a later time. He states on pg. 24 that Jesus Christ has given the “timing” to him and before that states that he knows the exact day of Christ’s return. If that’s the case, doesn’t that contradict God’s word when even in the end-time, still, Jesus said “My coming will be like a theif in the night”? (that part Weinland conveniently left out)

    There’s alot more but this is already too lengthy as it is. I just can’t believe no one caught or addressed this issue as important as it is: not just claim-to-fame as prophet but claim-to-fame as prophet/end-time witness of revelations.

    People need to wake up and read the black and white and stop squabbling over doctrines. A false prophet is a false prophet no matter what doctrinal “glasses” you see through. Scripture says a prophet can prophesy a myriad of things, but if even JUST ONE of them doesn’t come true, then they are false.

    Keep your lamps burning and watch…

    Jehovah Nissi
    JakeL

  31. Bob Hope
    Posted April 1, 2008 at 1:21 PM | Permalink

    I understand everyones sceptism, yet as we are in April 2008, there isn’t long to see if the guy is the real deal. He is giving his book away, both PDF and paper versions, so he seems to be genuine in intent if nothing else. Having read the PDF, I was most bothered by the payment of tithes, which are still said to be important. As Weinland points out, there are thousands of religions and sects, so how can we be sure that God will receive our tithes?
    As for his method of revealing himself, a concrete prophecy in advance is probably the best way. How else would he accomplish it? Some conspiracy websites claim that a false second coming is going to be staged, and in this day of special effects most anything is possible.

    Something that hasn’t been mentioned is the idea of lucifer appearing as an angel of light, fooling even the elect if it were possible.

    The truth will out

  32. Pastor Matt
    Posted April 1, 2008 at 2:05 PM | Permalink

    I have read the books and have determined that some of the information is historically useful.

    What I find is a rather unstudied person using a form of “general knowledge” that he himself accosts others for using.

    Another point; the book of Revelation is singular, not plural. It’s not “revelations”. It is a singular revelation of an anticipated return of Christ.

    Weinland also refers to Islam in his latest book; including them in the religious exclusivities of Judaism and Christianity by saying, “If one is true, the others cannot be” (paraphrased). This is untrue of Islam. Mohammad himself declared that revelation (of the personal kind) is progressive in nature. He never disavowed any of his predecessors’ teachings, but instead wrote about Moses, Abraham, and Jesus with great affection.

    Mohammad himself said (basically) that to be a good Christian or Jew was to be a good Muslim. In fact, it was a Jew who disclosed the information of the origins of the Arabian peoples to Mohammad. Those origins supposedly came to being through Abraham’s son Ismael. And although it is a local legend, supposedly Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba together. Although, some people will claim that this event is historical fact.

    Weinland also commands an individual to be an astute student of history, which he obviously, is not.

    My biggest problem with Weinland and others like him, are their self-proclaiming affirmations. They speak to readers as though to defy them (as men) is to defy God Himself. Jesus Himself says that many will come in His Name, claiming that the end has come. People will come and say that all “these things” are signs of the end. Jesus makes it very plain that it is not “the end”. When you see earthquakes, signs in the heavens, etc…the end it not yet. Nation will rise up against nation…but still the end it not yet.

    Does this mean that certain points Weinland makes are not to be heeded? Of course not. A call to repentance is needed, and humanity does need to turn from its opinions of God to God Himself.

    A prophet is never self proclaiming. The minute someone stands up and says they’re a prophet…they just nullified their status. Say what you need to say, let God be the vindicator of truth, and if God raises you up, and lets none of your words fall to the ground, so be it.

    In the book of Daniel, there are men in the end times, who are referred to as “men of insight”. These men COULD be, or are in some fashion MAY be related to the 144,000. These men are set in various parts of the world to help believers in the time of great tribulation. According the bible, they posses special skills, and are immune to the attacks of the enemy.

    Weinland’s book was a decent read..but I wouldn’t put much stock in an opinion which conditionalizes and mandates its reader to conform to its words.

    Test every spirit to see whether it be of God. Those that are of God point people to the source, they don’t claim to be the source. Weinland claims his writings are “truth”, which he inadvertently and perhaps unknowingly positions himself as a type of “Christ”; thus placing himself in the category of “false Christs”. He would have done better to just say what needs to be said without all the insecure, self-justifications.

    A rather interesting concern everyone should be aware of is the recent disappearance of the honey bee. Google it.
    Pastor Matt

  33. Pastor Matt
    Posted April 1, 2008 at 4:06 PM | Permalink

    Post to my Post:

    Page 116, under the heading “The first four trumpets”, a direct quote:

    “The first four trumpet blasts will announce four powerfully
    destructive events that will bring about the total collapse of
    the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia,
    New Zealand, and some countries of Western Europe.”
    Consequently, people are thrust back into ancient civilization where worship of deities, directly related to sustainable life, is accepted. The gods of Abraham’s time were the gods from the Sumerian and Babylonian pantheon. Gods such as Enki, Enlil, Inanna, and Marduk were worshiped for their seeming ability to sustain life through annual flooding, rain, sunlight, weather, and astrological events. Abram came out of this Zoroastrianistic/Sumerian culture to follow the word of EL.

    I don’t desire to give en entire history lesson here, but for someone like Weinland to tout his opinion on a person’s ability to “know their own history”; he sure doesn’t seem to know his own traditional, Christian heritage… that which stemmed from Catholicism, which stemmed from a merger of Judaism and Platonism, which stemmed from Judaism, which stemmed from Kabbalism, which stemmed from Babylonian/Accadian religion, which stemmed from Sumerian and proto-Sumerian polytheistic religion.

    I’m not saying that Weinland hasn’t heard from God. Maybe he has. Many of the things he says, I have written in my own personal notes, books, and blogs for the last 10 years. I do feel a distress as of late, and it’s acute…like child birthing pains. I’ve been explaining these things to people for about 4 years now. However, his arguments lack historic validity.

    We speak from the knowledge we have, and if the knowledge we posses is faulty, the message will in turn be faulty. His prophecy is vague, and justifiably so. Give reasons, give dates, and give facts. It’s easy for me to say, “This year, an important world figure will die a tragic death. If it is so, then I am God’s prophet.” As long as I keep it vague, I can’t fail.

  34. Pastor Matt
    Posted April 1, 2008 at 4:30 PM | Permalink

    Last post cut off a major portion of what I wrote.

    After the first paragraph where I quote page 116, I said “what about Mexico?” Weinland says on Page 118 that Canada is a “brother in prophecy”. However, Mexico is in an alliance with North America and Canada called the North American Union…A movement proposed by President Bush for economic, security, trade, and safety issues. This would directly line up Mexico with the US. However, Weinland says nothing about Mexico. He is also very vague about the “some countries of Western Europe”. Which countries??? Is this how prophecy is perpetrated now, in generalistics?

    I also gave the reason for the 2nd trumpet description, which Weinland does not.

    Scientists have been saying for years that the earth is due to be hit by a meteor. Several years back, a meteor the size of a large building passed between the moon and the earth. For a meteor the size of a mountain (like the one mentioned in Revelation) would likely go unnoticed by the general public. NASA would surely not release this information to the public for fear of creating a panic.

    However, a meteor of this size, striking the ocean (like the comet fragment that just struck Jupiter a few years ago) would undoubtedly create a “Red Tide” effect.

    This phenomenon is widely known to surfers of the California coastline. Because of the pollutants of humans, dumped into the ocean, plankton are killed off by the millions. This effect is called Red Tide. The combination of krill and plankton killed in a meteor strike would in fact cause a mass red tide. A blood-like effect on the oceans.

    God does not need to directly kill people to get his point across, as Weinland seems to think. God always takes the route of mercy, thus allowing for maximum time to repent.

    The best route to accomplish a goal of global repentance might constitute eliminating the pseudo source of life. Mankind is the most arrogant of all species. We take life for granted, and have bowed the knee to wealth instead. We value wealth, not life. We have sacrificed life on the altar of Mammon. Nature has been credited with a “god-like” sort of sustaining ability. Remove the secondary sustainer, and people are thrust back into the time when worship of the “flood gods” was not only deemed acceptable, but a way of life.

    Then the article continues on with “Consequently….” in the second paragraph.

  35. Pastor Matt
    Posted April 1, 2008 at 4:53 PM | Permalink

    Last commentary, then I’m done… I’ve been re-reading the 2008 book as I’m writing.

    This book says nothing. It’s a running commentary on the book of Revelation. Weinland gives nothing to readers that the book of Revelation doesn’t already say.

    His basis for naming countries is unfounded. He gives no historical claims to his choices, and says nothing that CNN or CSPAN hasn’t covered in the news publicly.

    This is the weakest attempt I’ve ever seen at a person claiming to “The One” sent by God.

  36. Benjiman Daniels
    Posted May 11, 2008 at 1:44 PM | Permalink

    Why all this argument and speculations!
    The Almighty God is one, and to him only belongs immortality.
    Man has a grandiouse perception of his own importance.
    O man look at the Dragonfly and learn!!!
    If you want to know the beast/antichrist look at the persons name on the six hundred and sixty sixth number
    e.g.
    1. Honatan joky
    2. John Thomas
    3. Michael west
    …………..
    666. xxxxxx xxxxx

    Let he that hath understanding count!!!
    and he without understanding, just SHUT UP 😉

  37. Posted May 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM | Permalink

    Hi, ElShaddai. I’m behind the times; just read this post.

    I remember seeing Joseph W. Tkach Sr. one time, before the date in question. Mr.Tkach led the Worldwide Church of God after founder Herbert W. Armstrong died. JWT and later his son JWT Jr. led that group out of Mr. Armstrong’s legalistic theology. I imagine that’s what Mr. Weinland is upset about. Armstrong taught such things as these:
    –We must believe that Jesus died on a Wednesday.
    –We must observe the Jewish festivals and dietary laws.
    –The British people are the “lost” 10 tribes of Israel.
    –God is a family. We are to become a part of the God-family.

    I haven’t read Mr. Weinland’s book, but the title reminds me of the book, “1980’s: Countdown to Armageddon,” by Hal Lindsey.

    Yes, Jesus is returning. Yes, we need to be ready. No, Mr. Weinland is not what he claims to be.

  38. Posted May 14, 2008 at 1:39 PM | Permalink

    Thanks for the context, Jim – it’s amazing how much traffic what I thought was a throw-away post has received.

  39. Brina
    Posted May 16, 2008 at 3:34 PM | Permalink

    Wow. I need to say that again. Wow. I have not read the first book. I’m currently reading Gods Final Witness. Can I ask a question? What makes you people believe this?
    Yes, Mr. Weinland makes some decent points. But this guy is an ego maniac. Read the first chapter of Gods Final Witness, its a shower of all achievements Ronald Weinland. He’s trying to scare people into beliveing his way is the only way.
    He refers to people being bias, when in all reality, his book is bias. Directed towards the (and these are not my words) ‘the children of the God Of Abraham’. What about the rest of the world? You’re not being ignorant towards the Buddism? Towards any other religon that doesn’t accept your veiw?
    Mr. Weinfeild quoted Proverbs 21:2, saying “every way of man is right in his own eyes.” He’s proving his own point. By not acknowledging any religon that doesn’t accept one all powerful being as his God, your ignoring a large portion of the world.
    Mr. Weinland, while I must say, an intersting read, is one opinion amongst the millions he ignored.
    Again, though, my opinion is only one, but I feel it is far more accepting then Mr. Weinland. My God also.

  40. Posted May 16, 2008 at 3:44 PM | Permalink

    Hi, Brina. You asked “What makes you people believe this?” I’m not sure who the question was directed to, but I just wanted to clarify that my original post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Maybe that didn’t come across as clearly as I could have expressed it, but I don’t hold any of Mr. Weinland’s prophecies up as biblical or valid. I hope that point has been made in the comments.

    As for those who have commented, I will have to let them defend themselves.

  41. Brina
    Posted May 18, 2008 at 8:34 AM | Permalink

    Mr. Edwards,
    The comment was not directed at you, or for that matter any one directly. It was simply meant to be sarcastic, not to disrespect anyones veiw. It seems, at least to me, that this book is the kind of thing Charles Manson would have put out to gain followers. Minus the drugs.
    Has Ronald Weinland done his homework? Yes. Does he make a few good points? Yes. Yet, I don’t recall any mention in Revelations of one of the prophets to be a pompous, egotistical, self-grandisng(sp?) cult leader. But, that may be one of the things you have to read between the lines for.

  42. Posted May 19, 2008 at 11:50 PM | Permalink

    It all comes down to motive. And after reading some of the material published on these links, there is certainly plenty of reason to question Mr. Weinland’s motives for publishing his views of the end times.

  43. T Glasovatz
    Posted June 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM | Permalink

    Thank you all for the insight – I have been reading Mr. Weinland’s most recent book and have wondered what others thought.

  44. Posted June 17, 2008 at 3:36 PM | Permalink

    Mr. Weinland’s book is a good comedy. I laughed at his self richeousness and demented, erroneous image of himself with dilusions of grandeur. He is obviously extremely confused, trying to make a quick buck by preying on the naieve and uneducated or just plain stupid! Personally I think he is just being used by satan/the devil to decieve others and lead GOD’S people astray. We shoul all pray for him and his followers that GOD may have mercy on them and bring them into his salvation before it is too late for them..

  45. Elizabeth
    Posted June 25, 2008 at 11:59 AM | Permalink

    I have not read through all of the “2008…” however, it makes me think. As does all the bloggers and there opinions. We all can agree (at least I pray we can) there is a God. God is the all mighty. there will be a time when enough is enough and God will do as God will do. No one or nothing can stop it write about it nor deny it. When it happens it happens. We should believe and intrust that when it is your time to stand in front of him. Can you bow your head and ask for forgiveness. If not then I pray for you. If you can then God has blessed you. Do I believe this Weinland is a prophet. Don’t know. He is correct there hasn’t been a prophet or writings for sometime. Why is there so many names such as jews, christian etc. Why do people belive differently? when it comes back to one and that is God is for real I pray I am not here to see the end of time. I pray that God will take me before then. I pray my children and there children will be honest when they are in the present of God. That they bow there heads neel before him and ask for forgiveness. That he might grant them passage. Am I scared. Well sure I am. I am human. however when the time comes I believe that God will be everything I could ever imagine and everything I can’t.

  46. Gunther
    Posted June 26, 2008 at 6:07 PM | Permalink

    What got me reading Mr Weinland’s book “2008” was the fact that it was advertised that the US will have become powerless by the fall or end of 2008. Anyone who knows the Scripture knows the the US will not play a major role in any of the events concerning Israel. So this made me curious enough to download his book.
    Just a few days ago I was wondering what our nation will look like at the end of this year considering the out-of-control gasoline and food prices. (Am I the only one wondering about this?) Combine this with a possible elected unexperienced Obama for president….
    Anyway this combination of thoughts made me reading this book. I’m only on page 60, but I ran into trouble when he explained that the first 5 seals were meant only for the church. If I have the right understanding the first seals are for the whole of humanity.
    So, I’ll continue to read and see what else he may to present. Is mankind in troubel? Will there be a judgement? Will the reign of evil cease? Will the believers, the saved, the ones washed in the blood of the Lamb be delivered? YES to all these questions. And who will be my Delivere? Jesus Christ alone!
    God bless you, Gunther.

  47. Katie
    Posted September 7, 2008 at 9:10 PM | Permalink

    Pastor Matt,I’ve felt a strange pull for the past four or so years as well, at first to God as I was not a Christian at the time, and now to prepare my family and loved ones and everyone around me who will listen for the end of things as we know it. I’m reading back over that last bit of sentence and it looks so strange, but that’s exactly it. I know I’ll sound like a maniac to some, but I’ve felt God’s pull every day to snap out of it and do what needs to be done before it’s too late. The difficulty is, is that I don’t know what it is that needs to be done. And I know that I don’t know because I’m not listening to Him like I should. Every day, I wake up and bury my head in the sand all over again, in hopes that I’m just nuts and that what man does, right? Doesn’t every generation secretly believe that their times are the end times, that things can’t get any worse without imploding, and that no human before us has had to live through a time as hard as this one? Humans as a whole fear the future. That what they’re doing is fruitless, and the wrong thing. In our darkest hours, every one of us has thought that. ‘What’s the point?’ But why am I so certain that it’s more than that? I can only rationalize it for so long without knowing- KNOWING- in my secret heart that that’s what I’m doing-rationalizing. I feel that I am being pulled to do God’s will, with the devil fighting him for me every step of the way, and that I can’t ignore it much longer. I’ve often wondered in the past year or so if there were others who’ve felt the same way, and what exactly they were feeling. It’s this urgency. Urgency is even a weak word for it. I feel almost as if it’s nearly too late. Immediacy. Now. Danger. A pull, God’s call, word, tug. Soon to be a shout, a yell. No food, save food, no water, no power, man fighting man. I know I sound like a lunatic to most. Do I to you, as well?Sincerely and Hopefully, Katie

  48. bob
    Posted September 19, 2008 at 9:37 PM | Permalink

    I was being born, well actually i was already born for most of the day. i was born 17minutes into the day at 12:17 am

  49. Detrik
    Posted October 17, 2008 at 6:54 AM | Permalink

    Hey all,

    I dont remember what I was doing on December 12th 2012

  50. Detrik
    Posted October 17, 2008 at 7:03 AM | Permalink

    Hello again,

    December 17 1994 was a Saturday and I was still in highschool. I was probably working at the papermill on #7 or playing Resident Evil on the Panasoinic 3DO. Just live and stop worrying about the future. be good to others, respect, compassion, and tolerance is that too hard to ask for. Nobody’s right, nobody’s wrong, just be.

  51. Detrik
    Posted October 19, 2008 at 11:35 AM | Permalink

    on december 12 of 2008 there will be a harvest moon(356567km). January 11th 2009 is a hunters moon(357500km). Be prepared for tsunami’s earthquakes and storms, this will also relate to human stress causing social problems.

  52. Posted December 31, 2008 at 9:59 PM | Permalink

    I thank God I did not pay money for this book. While September 11, 2001, will remain ever fresh in the minds of all AMERICAN’S (supposedley the opening of the sixth seal), I could find no event of significance that happened on December 17, 1994. (supposedly the opening of the first seal).

    I found Mr. Weinland’s book to be unconstructed, full of rambling and gibberish. I would hope his readers do NOT take this book to heart, and treat it as GOSPEL. Live your lives as God would want, and be happy.

  53. FRM
    Posted January 5, 2009 at 1:02 AM | Permalink

    It would appear that just two seals have been opened.

    Christ is the rider of the white horse.
    Satan is the rider of the red horse.

    I believe the black horse will usher in the era of the anti-christ, the time may be near

  54. Todd
    Posted January 5, 2009 at 3:28 AM | Permalink

    PRETRIB RAPTURE – HIDDEN FACTS !‏

    How can the “rapture” be “imminent”? Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven (He is now there with the Father) “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. Since Jesus must personally participate in the rapture, and since He can’t even leave heaven before the tribulation ends, the rapture therefore cannot take place before the end of the trib! Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) (which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening – Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who would be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the posttrib end of “death” (15:54)! (Will death be ended before or during the trib?) If anyone wonders how long pretrib rapturism has been taught, he or she can Google “Pretrib Rapture Diehards.” Many are unaware that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 it was stretched forward and turned into a separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which the mass of evangelical scholars rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” [“gathering”] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Other Google articles throwing light on long-covered-up facts about the 178-year-old pretrib rapture view include “Famous Rapture Watchers,” “X-Raying Margaret,” “Revisers of Pretrib Rapture History,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Pretrib Rapture Desperados” and “Deceiving and Being Deceived” – all by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” which is available at Armageddon Books online. Just my two cents’ worth. Todd

  55. Posted January 9, 2009 at 8:19 PM | Permalink

    Posted on this 9th of January 2009 by Jonah Immanu

    And another false prophet and his wife (the 2 self-appointed end-time prophets of Revelation) bite the dust.

    In Yeshua’s Name, 2 false prophets have bitten the dust,

    Jonah Immanu
    Christian Eschatological Author

  56. Posted January 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM | Permalink

    If Weinland knows when Jesus Christ is going to return to this earth why doesn’t he come clean and tell us? This in itself should tell us what kind of a false prophet he is!

  57. Jeremy
    Posted June 5, 2009 at 7:24 PM | Permalink

    Want to know what I was doing on December 17th 1994? I was coming out of my mother’s womb.

    • Nia
      Posted July 3, 2009 at 2:52 PM | Permalink

      hey thats way cool we were born on the same day

  58. Michael
    Posted June 6, 2009 at 11:27 AM | Permalink

    Hmmm, I am only a few pages into this book and already I see flaws within in it. For instance, according to the author we are already in the Tribulation and have been since Dec. 17, 1994. There are many disagreements about the interpretations of Revelation and Daniel, but one thing I have very few scholars DO agree on is the length of the Tribulation/Great Tribulation. This is 7 years. The first half (3.5 years) is much more tame than the last half. It is funny that the auth0r states specifically the length of the last half but ignores the first half even though the Bible (Revelation in particular) is clear the length of each is same.
    Also do not take my word for it read Revelation for yourself, but you will clearly see that the Church IS NOT on the earth during this time. Again read this for yourself with a couple of things I will point out to you to look for and judge for yourself. As Revelation begins God (through John) is adressing the church. The church is unquestionably referred to as a Lampstand. Then John gives a “history” (when it was recorded much of this hadn’t happened yet, though now most is in fact history) of church history. Then notice after the retelling of the church history John hears a voice that says “Come up here”, and he is caught up into heaven. Now notice as you read further you will see the Lampstand (the church) is also in heaven after the voice calls John saying “Come up here”.
    Now I would like to point out a flaw in at least one of Ronald Weinland’s statements. He states that the rapture period (no matter the timing) is wrong. He points out scripture states Christ will remain in heaven until the second comming, therefore the Rapture especially a pre or mid Tribulation one, must therefore be wrong. His error here is that the “Rapture theory”, so to speak, does not state that Jesus Christ comes down to earth. Rather it is Christ calling believers up to heaven to be with him. Again, refer to revelation, John hears a voice saying “Come up here”. No one came down from heaven “to pick him up and take him to heaven”, nor did Christ or an angel of any kind need to.

    Also have read an earlier posting where someone compared this book to one written by Hal Lindsey. There is a HUGE difference. Hal Lindsey so far as I am aware in any of his books I have read has ever claimed to be a prophet, let alone one of God’s two end times prophets. Rather he provides a view (an interpretation) of what he believes to be an accurate translation of end times prophecy. Many times in reading his books you will see statements such as “I believe…such and such….will happen”. In saying this Hal Lindsey is making it clear that this is only something he thinks will happen based on his interpretation of the prophecies, and he is not saying “God told me such and such will happen”. There is a huge difference. Also (again I have not read every book or heard every word Hal Lindsey has ever written/spoken) but not once have I ever heard him proclaim that God told me in such and such year, that such and such will happen. I have never once heard him give any time frame in which he was told anything was going to happen…..except for following the timeline set forth in the Bible for the judgements of God to take place after they have begun. One thing I wold like to point out which actually gives Hal Lindsey much credence. “The Late Great Planet Earth” was first published in the late sixties, I first read it 15 to 20 years ago. One of the things he stated he believed was going to happen based on his interpretation of the prophecies was Russia would help Iran launch a nuclear attack on Isreal. While this hasn’t happened in complete totality yet, amazing is it not that 40 some years after he wrote it, the news headlines of today are about Iran trying to acquire nuclear weapons and Russia is helping them?

    Beyond this, the post was quite some time ago, but I would like to state that I have been a backslidden, lukewarm Christian for quite some time. A couple of weeks ago, seemingly out of nowhere, when I woke up one morning one thing was pressed strongly upon me……SOON! I have always believed that we are indeed living near the time of the end, and I have always thought of it as being years off, and perhaps it is…..let’s face it SOON in the span of 1,000’s of could be 10 or 20 years. I do not know I was giving nothing no timeframe or reference of time, just SOON. I have been repenting and praying continually since this time as this feeling has not left me. For anyone who does not believe in the Rapture, please please please consider the words of Paul when he spoke of it and referred to it as a MYSTERY. Though it may not have been thought out by him to use this word the Holy Spirit purposely used it, because it is just that to most Christians a MYSTERY, something that is not believed or understood. Christ is soon going to call all those who have prepared and waited for the bridegroom to be with Him for the Wedding Feast of the Lamb. I pray any who reads this will be there with me not just to escpape God’s judgement and wrath during the Tribulation, but because truly what greater pleasure could any of us ever have but to be counted as bride of the God of all that is, was, and ever will be.
    We have two choices we will be slaves to sin and death now and for all eternity, or we will accept God grace and live as slaves to righteousness for all eternity. I assure each of you sin and death offers nothing but bondage, whereas God offers freedom. Our flesh rebels in every way against our Creator, I know because I struggle with it daily, but there truly is an unspeakable joy and an ineffable peace in finally surrendering to God and choosing to belong to Him. He who gains his life will lose it, but he who loses his life will gain it. If you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and you have not yet believed that He has paid the price for your sins you truly have no idea what your missing. I truly have found myself and gained my life in surrending all I am and ever want to be to Him. I am not worthy, none of us are, but we can be redeemed and saved through are Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He paid the price for your sins but it is your choice as whether or not you want to be reconciled to God the Father our Creator. The consequences of sin is death, but Christ has given us all a get out of jail free card, it is your choice whether or not to accept it. I pray to God that you will and I look forward to the day when we shall be together at the feet and in the arms of our RISEN Savior, Jesus Christ.

    Maranatha and LOOK UP! SOON HE WILL BE CALLING US TO BE WITH HIM.

  59. Nia
    Posted July 3, 2009 at 2:51 PM | Permalink

    What was I doing December 17, 1994…that’s my birthday…but I’m not sure about all this

  60. Posted July 27, 2009 at 1:23 PM | Permalink

    I was only eight years old! I imagine I was riding a push bike around somewhere, causing trouble! LOL!

  61. Hana
    Posted August 2, 2012 at 1:46 PM | Permalink

    I was being born

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