Comments on: Working out community exegesis http://heissufficient.com/2008/09/07/working-out-community-exegesis/ Searching for wit and wisdom in a wilderness of words... Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:51:30 +0000 hourly 1 By: ElShaddai Edwards http://heissufficient.com/2008/09/07/working-out-community-exegesis/comment-page-1/#comment-3283 ElShaddai Edwards Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:02:03 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/?p=957#comment-3283 Thanks for the link, Brian - it's interesting how many different flavors of "second Exodus" there seem to be. The thoughts in your post, and especially your comments, nicely tie together the various gospel images of Christ, e.g. bread, shepherd, etc., into this meta narrative, albeit a spiritual one. Thanks for the link, Brian – it’s interesting how many different flavors of “second Exodus” there seem to be. The thoughts in your post, and especially your comments, nicely tie together the various gospel images of Christ, e.g. bread, shepherd, etc., into this meta narrative, albeit a spiritual one.

]]> By: Brian http://heissufficient.com/2008/09/07/working-out-community-exegesis/comment-page-1/#comment-3281 Brian Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:29:43 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/?p=957#comment-3281 I shared a short blog post once on the theology of the second exodus - did you see it? http://sunestauromai.wordpress.com/?s=Second+Exodus.  Let me know what you think.  It might be slightly different than some others but essentially the same. I shared a short blog post once on the theology of the second exodus – did you see it? http://sunestauromai.wordpress.com/?s=Second+Exodus.  Let me know what you think.  It might be slightly different than some others but essentially the same.

]]> By: David Ker http://heissufficient.com/2008/09/07/working-out-community-exegesis/comment-page-1/#comment-3279 David Ker Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:13:56 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/?p=957#comment-3279 Ah... gotcha. Ah… gotcha.

]]> By: ElShaddai Edwards http://heissufficient.com/2008/09/07/working-out-community-exegesis/comment-page-1/#comment-3276 ElShaddai Edwards Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:58:21 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/?p=957#comment-3276 David asked: <em>When you say, “Working out community exegesis” what are you referring to exactly?</em><br /><br />Probably too much mental word play for a Sunday morning... <br /><br />I working backward through Hays' quote -- "exegesis" as "understanding the text", which I read as only happening in the Christian community. I overlayed that by interpreting "enacted" and "participate in" the community with the "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" passage in Philippians 2:12-13.<span class="sup"></span><br /><br />That is, <strong>work out</strong> your salvation within the Christian <strong>community</strong> so that you can properly understand (<strong>exegete</strong>) the message of scripture [and God's will and good purposes] for your life. David asked: When you say, “Working out community exegesis” what are you referring to exactly?

Probably too much mental word play for a Sunday morning…

I working backward through Hays’ quote — “exegesis” as “understanding the text”, which I read as only happening in the Christian community. I overlayed that by interpreting “enacted” and “participate in” the community with the “work out your salvation with fear and trembling” passage in Philippians 2:12-13.

That is, work out your salvation within the Christian community so that you can properly understand (exegete) the message of scripture [and God's will and good purposes] for your life.

]]> By: tc robinson http://heissufficient.com/2008/09/07/working-out-community-exegesis/comment-page-1/#comment-3275 tc robinson Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:39:39 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/?p=957#comment-3275 <em><strong>@TC</strong> — So Mark is described as a “son” of Peter (1 Peter 5:13), the cousin of Barnabas (Col 4:10), and “useful” to Paul’s ministry (2 Tim 4:11). He certainly got around from his initial appearance running buck naked from Jesus’ captors…</em> And a good laugh while drinking some coffee. ;-) @TC — So Mark is described as a “son” of Peter (1 Peter 5:13), the cousin of Barnabas (Col 4:10), and “useful” to Paul’s ministry (2 Tim 4:11). He certainly got around from his initial appearance running buck naked from Jesus’ captors…

And a good laugh while drinking some coffee. ;-)

]]> By: David Ker http://heissufficient.com/2008/09/07/working-out-community-exegesis/comment-page-1/#comment-3274 David Ker Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:32:47 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/?p=957#comment-3274 I mentioned the new exodus motif with regard to John's gospel rather than Mark's: http://lingamish.com/2007/04/30/iconography-of-the-gospels-3/ Also, Mark is traditionally thought to have been working from material collected from Peter (sermons). Rabbit hole indeed, but a fun trip. When you say, "Working out community exegesis" what are you referring to exactly? I mentioned the new exodus motif with regard to John’s gospel rather than Mark’s: http://lingamish.com/2007/04/30/iconography-of-the-gospels-3/ Also, Mark is traditionally thought to have been working from material collected from Peter (sermons). Rabbit hole indeed, but a fun trip. When you say, “Working out community exegesis” what are you referring to exactly?

]]> By: ElShaddai Edwards http://heissufficient.com/2008/09/07/working-out-community-exegesis/comment-page-1/#comment-3270 ElShaddai Edwards Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:01:04 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/?p=957#comment-3270 <strong>@Damian</strong> -- Thanks for the response! I would be interested in seeing the context of this quote - I've added it to my "shopping list", but at my current reading pace, it'll be a while before I have time to look at this. I agree with your conclusion that the Church is the acting out of the gospel of Christ - that's all I really meant at the end. Rather than understanding the text from an intellectual viewpoint, we can only really understand the gospel by living it out with works of love. I've also been on an anti-individualism kick lately, trying to relearn the Bible from a corporate/community perspective. That's really hard to do... <br /><br /><strong>@TC</strong> -- So Mark is described as a "son" of Peter (1 Peter 5:13), the cousin of Barnabas (Col 4:10), and "useful" to Paul's ministry (2 Tim 4:11). He certainly got around from his initial appearance running buck naked from Jesus' captors... @Damian — Thanks for the response! I would be interested in seeing the context of this quote – I’ve added it to my “shopping list”, but at my current reading pace, it’ll be a while before I have time to look at this. I agree with your conclusion that the Church is the acting out of the gospel of Christ – that’s all I really meant at the end. Rather than understanding the text from an intellectual viewpoint, we can only really understand the gospel by living it out with works of love. I’ve also been on an anti-individualism kick lately, trying to relearn the Bible from a corporate/community perspective. That’s really hard to do…

@TC — So Mark is described as a “son” of Peter (1 Peter 5:13), the cousin of Barnabas (Col 4:10), and “useful” to Paul’s ministry (2 Tim 4:11). He certainly got around from his initial appearance running buck naked from Jesus’ captors…

]]> By: tc robinson http://heissufficient.com/2008/09/07/working-out-community-exegesis/comment-page-1/#comment-3268 tc robinson Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:20:51 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/?p=957#comment-3268 El, I've always heard that Mark is an extension of Peter's sermon in Acts 10:34-43, and since Mark was in the company of Peter (1 Peter 5:13), this view sort of commends itself.I never really quite understood "working out community exegesis," except in the sense of the ancient ecumenical creeds, but not of a particular denomination. El, I’ve always heard that Mark is an extension of Peter’s sermon in Acts 10:34-43, and since Mark was in the company of Peter (1 Peter 5:13), this view sort of commends itself.I never really quite understood “working out community exegesis,” except in the sense of the ancient ecumenical creeds, but not of a particular denomination.

]]> By: Damian http://heissufficient.com/2008/09/07/working-out-community-exegesis/comment-page-1/#comment-3263 Damian Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:54:01 +0000 http://heissufficient.net/?p=957#comment-3263 I'd tend to agree with you there, E.S., about the process of working out our salvation.I don't think it's possible to work out your salvation - not truly - in isolation. it requires the input, questioning, and challenging of a community. Books won't do it, because they don't stick it to you if you ignore parts of them.But I'm not sure that's exactly what this quote referred to. I felt it was more an allusion to the fact that through baptism and our affirming Christ as Lord of the world, we are participating in the enactment of the message of Christ. Scripture is foreign to someone who does not know the Gospel, because Gospel is a message of faith, rather than one of science or rhetoric.In this way, only those hwo participate in the enactment can understand the text. I’d tend to agree with you there, E.S., about the process of working out our salvation.I don’t think it’s possible to work out your salvation – not truly – in isolation. it requires the input, questioning, and challenging of a community. Books won’t do it, because they don’t stick it to you if you ignore parts of them.But I’m not sure that’s exactly what this quote referred to. I felt it was more an allusion to the fact that through baptism and our affirming Christ as Lord of the world, we are participating in the enactment of the message of Christ. Scripture is foreign to someone who does not know the Gospel, because Gospel is a message of faith, rather than one of science or rhetoric.In this way, only those hwo participate in the enactment can understand the text.

]]>