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	<title>Comments on: Should the ESV really be the Reformed Standard Version?</title>
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		<title>By: All I want for Christmas is… the ESV Study Bible? &#124; Sam Marsh</title>
		<link>http://heissufficient.com/2008/11/26/should-the-esv-really-be-the-reformed-standard-version/#comment-4189</link>
		<dc:creator>All I want for Christmas is… the ESV Study Bible? &#124; Sam Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Really? Nothing? There is a conspicuous lack of balance in many of the endorsements of this translation, and it all feels a little too much like the kind of regard many people still have for the King Jimmy. I have great respect for many of those who are endorsing the ESV Study Bible, but I can’t help wishing people would just calm down a bit and eat a few less blue Smarties.  4. It should have been called the Reformed Standard Version [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Really? Nothing? There is a conspicuous lack of balance in many of the endorsements of this translation, and it all feels a little too much like the kind of regard many people still have for the King Jimmy. I have great respect for many of those who are endorsing the ESV Study Bible, but I can’t help wishing people would just calm down a bit and eat a few less blue Smarties.  4. It should have been called the Reformed Standard Version [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J. Mark Bertrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Mark Bertrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t call it the Reformed Standard Version as much as the Confessional Standard Version. Anyone learning theology in a confessional context probably benefits from having traditional theological language retained (which I suppose is just restating the point). Then again, having to articulate the theology without that language in place might be beneficial. 

Perhaps one reason why confessional Christians might have a tendency to prefer literal/traditional translations is the fear (justified or not) that non-confessional translators are &quot;translating away&quot; not just the theological language but the theologies that employ it. Winning the argument, so to speak, by reframing the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call it the Reformed Standard Version as much as the Confessional Standard Version. Anyone learning theology in a confessional context probably benefits from having traditional theological language retained (which I suppose is just restating the point). Then again, having to articulate the theology without that language in place might be beneficial. </p>
<p>Perhaps one reason why confessional Christians might have a tendency to prefer literal/traditional translations is the fear (justified or not) that non-confessional translators are &#8220;translating away&#8221; not just the theological language but the theologies that employ it. Winning the argument, so to speak, by reframing the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John II - I actually agree with you. I don&#039;t think there is a Reformed bias to the ESV. What I meant to say was that there are certain terms (propitiation, justification, etc.) which are really important in Reformed theology, and it is therefore very difficult to teach Reformed theology from a translation that doesn&#039;t use those words. If someone hasn&#039;t seen those words &lt;i&gt;in the Bible&lt;/i&gt; that person won&#039;t be able to understand how Reformed theology relates to the Bible. As the first John pointed out, there are other traditions that use this language too, and so my points will apply equally to those theological traditions.

What I meant to claim was just this: I think the ESV is a very good translation, but it doesn&#039;t happen to be my personal favorite. However, there is one task for which I think everyone, regardless of &#039;taste&#039; or whatever, should acknowledge that it is the very best translation, and that is, as a Bible to consult while learning a theological tradition which, like Reformed theology, cannot be understood without understanding these technical terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John II &#8211; I actually agree with you. I don&#8217;t think there is a Reformed bias to the ESV. What I meant to say was that there are certain terms (propitiation, justification, etc.) which are really important in Reformed theology, and it is therefore very difficult to teach Reformed theology from a translation that doesn&#8217;t use those words. If someone hasn&#8217;t seen those words <i>in the Bible</i> that person won&#8217;t be able to understand how Reformed theology relates to the Bible. As the first John pointed out, there are other traditions that use this language too, and so my points will apply equally to those theological traditions.</p>
<p>What I meant to claim was just this: I think the ESV is a very good translation, but it doesn&#8217;t happen to be my personal favorite. However, there is one task for which I think everyone, regardless of &#8216;taste&#8217; or whatever, should acknowledge that it is the very best translation, and that is, as a Bible to consult while learning a theological tradition which, like Reformed theology, cannot be understood without understanding these technical terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Ask Mr. Religion</title>
		<link>http://heissufficient.com/2008/11/26/should-the-esv-really-be-the-reformed-standard-version/#comment-4081</link>
		<dc:creator>Ask Mr. Religion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Pearce on the ease at which I am able to discuss and teach Reformed concepts to others using the ESV. The newly released ESV Study Bible should reinforce that, too. It&#039;s notes, articles, etc., are unquestionably Reformed. The only thing the new study bible is missing is a decent topical index. So I just tore one out of an old MacArthur study bible and glued it into my new ESV Study Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Pearce on the ease at which I am able to discuss and teach Reformed concepts to others using the ESV. The newly released ESV Study Bible should reinforce that, too. It&#8217;s notes, articles, etc., are unquestionably Reformed. The only thing the new study bible is missing is a decent topical index. So I just tore one out of an old MacArthur study bible and glued it into my new ESV Study Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: ElShaddai Edwards</title>
		<link>http://heissufficient.com/2008/11/26/should-the-esv-really-be-the-reformed-standard-version/#comment-4080</link>
		<dc:creator>ElShaddai Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder if Kenny Pearce would still grant me “reasonable and intelligent” status because I prefer the literalness and language of the ESV and don’t have a Reformed perspective.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



John, I&#039;m guessing he would... I think that it would be more accurate to say that &quot;because of its traditional theological language, the ESV supports Reformed teaching more accurately than the TNIV or NLT.&quot; That&#039;s not to say that teachers from another tradition, e.g Arminianism, could not equally use the ESV to equal effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder if Kenny Pearce would still grant me “reasonable and intelligent” status because I prefer the literalness and language of the ESV and don’t have a Reformed perspective.</p></blockquote>
<p>John, I&#8217;m guessing he would&#8230; I think that it would be more accurate to say that &#8220;because of its traditional theological language, the ESV supports Reformed teaching more accurately than the TNIV or NLT.&#8221; That&#8217;s not to say that teachers from another tradition, e.g Arminianism, could not equally use the ESV to equal effect.</p>
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		<title>By: John II</title>
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		<dc:creator>John II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too weird. I hold opposite opinions from Reformed theology and I love the ESV. I&#039;ve been using it heavily for a couple of years and I have never come across anything that made me think, &quot;This thing has a reformed bias.&quot;

I wonder if Kenny Pearce would still grant me &quot;reasonable and intelligent&quot; status because I prefer the literalness and language of the ESV and don&#039;t have a Reformed perspective. Perhaps that is beyond comprehension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too weird. I hold opposite opinions from Reformed theology and I love the ESV. I&#8217;ve been using it heavily for a couple of years and I have never come across anything that made me think, &#8220;This thing has a reformed bias.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if Kenny Pearce would still grant me &#8220;reasonable and intelligent&#8221; status because I prefer the literalness and language of the ESV and don&#8217;t have a Reformed perspective. Perhaps that is beyond comprehension.</p>
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		<title>By: ElShaddai Edwards</title>
		<link>http://heissufficient.com/2008/11/26/should-the-esv-really-be-the-reformed-standard-version/#comment-4065</link>
		<dc:creator>ElShaddai Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I would hesitate to assign a translation to a specific doctrine based on its use of traditional theological language or lack thereof. All Pearce is saying, as I understand it, is that the ESV is more appropriate than the TNIV or NLT, for example, for theological teaching in Reformed churches because of its use of such language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I would hesitate to assign a translation to a specific doctrine based on its use of traditional theological language or lack thereof. All Pearce is saying, as I understand it, is that the ESV is more appropriate than the TNIV or NLT, for example, for theological teaching in Reformed churches because of its use of such language.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this probably isn&#039;t so much just a &quot;Reformed&quot; thing...the word comes from the Latin Vulgate (propitiatio); the Reformed adopted the latin term (because it&#039;s precise, and that being the prevalent language for discourse during that time); whether using &quot;propitiation&quot; or &quot;appeasement&quot; they&#039;d still be synonymous...and in use by even Catholics (who read Latin)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this probably isn&#8217;t so much just a &#8220;Reformed&#8221; thing&#8230;the word comes from the Latin Vulgate (propitiatio); the Reformed adopted the latin term (because it&#8217;s precise, and that being the prevalent language for discourse during that time); whether using &#8220;propitiation&#8221; or &#8220;appeasement&#8221; they&#8217;d still be synonymous&#8230;and in use by even Catholics (who read Latin)!</p>
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		<title>By: ESV #13, by Mark Strauss &#171; Better Bibles Blog</title>
		<link>http://heissufficient.com/2008/11/26/should-the-esv-really-be-the-reformed-standard-version/#comment-4061</link>
		<dc:creator>ESV #13, by Mark Strauss &#171; Better Bibles Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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